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April 24, 2013

YouTube:  VIDEO:  MSNBC:  Lawrence O’Donnell:  04-23-13 MSNBC LAST WORD REWRITES 2ND AMENDMENT

“The Second Amendment was tagged onto the Constitution.”

Oh, so it was an afterthought.  What a worm.



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JCM (@JCM1776) April 24, 2013 at 8:20 am

I’m really tired of educated idiots who think they are smarter than anyone living or dead.

Who are the militia? are they not ourselves. Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American…The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people.

Tench Coxe.

Does it have to be any clearer?
We are the militia, not the National Guard, the NG is part of the standing army.
The arms were not muskets, but the same arms as the infantryman carries.


ROGERGB April 24, 2013 at 8:29 am

Larry O’s ass is on backwards. I watch this nitwit sometimes just like other people watch Comedy Central.


Steve Northrop April 24, 2013 at 8:38 am

Hey O’Donnell, By using the same myopic and not very realistic claims you make here, your ability to transmit these ignorant views would not be possible. The 1st Amendment you shield your outrageous opinions with was only ever intended to be printed, one letter at a time on a pamphlet, you would then need to distribute by hand to anyone willing to accept your particular brand of BS. I’m sure the Founders never intended for stupidity to be so easily disseminated over the airwaves, fiber optic cables or the internet. So if your willing to be bound by the same restrictions you so blithely wish for others, then someone might be willing to give your specious arguments some consideration.That is if you can find anyone willing to read the drivel you printed by hand and placed in their view. I for one think anything you might put on paper would be best used in the two holer behind the barn we’d all be using since indoor plumbing was most probably never envisioned by anyone in the 1790’s.


Allan Harrison April 24, 2013 at 8:39 am

I guess he’s never heard of the Federalist papers, and the intent of the second amendment stated therein. Hey O’Dumbass, better rid yourself of that word processing computer, you know the founders wouldn’t have approved of you typing your treasonous shit at such a high rate of speed. They would have expected you to write it with a quill pen and ink bottle. There were a lot of things “tagged” onto the Constitution, should we disregard them? Moron


Sean April 24, 2013 at 8:42 am

You have no idea what you are talking about. The gun used was the AR15 of that day, nothing you’re talking about would have changed Sandy Hook. How dare you use the memories of these children and your job to push your political agenda?


joe smith April 24, 2013 at 8:44 am

first of all this is a Republic not a democracy this guy is a tool


George H. Foster April 24, 2013 at 8:58 am

The Founding Fathers would have loved to have the Minute Men at Lexington and Concord, or the people who stood their ground on Bunker Hill, armed with M4’s, SAW’s, and even a few Maw Duce’s .50 cals.


Rich April 24, 2013 at 9:14 am

But first, let’s rewrite the 1st amendment so we can expunge you and your idiotic drivel from the airwaves


Patrick April 24, 2013 at 9:41 am

Uhh…ALL amendments were “tagged onto the Constitution”. That’s why they are called “amendments”. You want to add an amendment to repeal the 2nd? Here’s what you do…get 2/3 of BOTH the House and Senate to approve. Then get 3/4 of 50 States to approve. Good luck!


Rich April 24, 2013 at 10:07 am

When Bill of Rights was written the guns at the time could defend a bad guy with a gun of that time.But today we need to be able to defend ourselves with guns of these times.That
is why a musket wont cut it today.So the argument that the 2nd was meant for muskets doesnt fly today.


Kai April 24, 2013 at 10:58 am

If they meant musket, then they would have said musket. This guy is a moron.



Houghton April 24, 2013 at 1:29 pm

Lawrence is being so deeply disingenuous and intellectually dishonest here in his own statements and in once again trying to make this logically fallacious PSA into a “hot” viral video by playing it on his show.

First, the case law and precedents of Supreme Court decisions are clearly not on his side. Nor is the history of the 2nd Amendment itself.

Second, the 2nd Amendment was “tagged on” not in isolation but along with the rest of the Bill of Rights as part of a cohesive whole. Third, the Founding Fathers were well aware that firearms technology would change. Indeed the technology had changed in the two centuries preceding the Bill of Rights. It is absurd to suggest that learned men like Thomas Jefferson, who foresaw the continental settlement of this nation and was himself an inventor, did not anticipate new developments in weaponry. And the technology continued to change thereafter. When the repeating rifle was introduced during the Civil War, it did not cause masses of “opinion leaders” to call for “reinterpreting” the Constitution.

Fourth, the PSA elides the fact that the AR-15 Armalite 15 has been available to the public half a century, first sold to civilians in 1963. And before that carbine became available, it was common in our country after WWII for many vets to have
their carbines from that war around the house. What’s changed in the
past 50 years since the AR-15 became available to civilians, or from the
mid-20th century when rifles were as common in households as they now,
if not more so? Not the weapons, at least not in any real, substantive sense
(after all, “1911” handguns haven’t changed since, well, 1911). What’s
changed is how we treat the mentally ill, how our culture of self-esteem
has stroked American egos for the past few decades, and how much
Americans have become focused (and have celebrated their self-indulgence
in every possible way) on their own selfish needs rather than on the
welfare of others. This has almost nothing to do with the 2nd Amendment
and almost everything to do with psychological, emotional and spiritual
deficits within our culture.

Fifth, the right to bear arms extends far back in British common law. It is not something that the Founding Fathers coughed up at the last minute in 1791. It is part and parcel to the continued march of freedom from the Magna Carta to the American Revolution.

I guess, lastly, I would add that it has been interesting to watch the shift in rhetoric from the gun grabbers. They went from the early emotional appeals after Sandy Hook to trying to sneak Orwellian doublespeak into the conversation by beginning to talk about “gun safety” instead of “gun control” to a series of false dichotomies, red herrings and straw man fallacies.

They closed out their effort, finally, with the epithet-filled screeds of Bill Maher and the angry, finger-pointing press conferences of Obama and Biden’s executive order threats.

And now, at long last, their true agenda has been forced out into the open: The 2nd Amendment is an “anachronism” and must be subverted or abolished. That’s what they want, and we should be thankful they are now being so much more honest about it.


Carl backstrom April 24, 2013 at 5:56 pm

I commend many of the above authors on some very thoughtful and logical arguments and comments.


ArmedNerd April 26, 2013 at 5:44 am

“No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government”

— Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers, 334

“The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed.”

— Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers at 184-188

The Second Amendment HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE NATIONAL GUARD! (which is NOT the Militia, a Militia is independent of Government control)

The Founding Fathers wanted the people to have whatever weaponry was available to the average infantry man. In those days that meant a flintlock musket, these days it means an AR15! Not nuclear weapons! Not F-15s! But whatever rifle is issued to our soldiers. And the Founding Father’s were not idiots. They knew full well that guns were going to change. But there are risks that come with living in a free country. We could completely seal off the border, eliminate the threat of terrorism, and make crime a thing of the past. But it would change us into a police state worse than Nazi Germany. I will take our REPUBLIC (NOT a Democracy) THANK YOU VERY MUCH! I will not give up my liberty for safety! Not with the Patriot Act, and not with another god damn gun control law!


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